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Andrew Duffell |
Message #93114, posted by ad at 20:56, 18/7/2004 |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #93115, posted by rich at 09:28, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93114 |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #93116, posted by andypoole at 09:30, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93115 |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #93117, posted by rich at 09:36, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93116 |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #93118, posted by andypoole at 09:46, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93117 |
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Ian Jeffray |
Message #93119, posted by ianj at 10:02, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93118 |
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Peter Howkins |
Message #93120, posted by flibble at 11:44, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93119 |
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Whilst I appreciate the technical job the CAMiLEON project has done, the outcome is far from ideal.
They've 'preserved' the system whilst breaking copyright laws to do so. It's now presevered but not publically useful. |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #93121, posted by monkeyson2 at 12:12, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93120 |
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That's a little harsh. Leeds worked hard to agree terms with significant copyright holders; in the end the main difficulty was obtaining funding - most of the potential grants required matching funding from the host institution/party. If Leeds had won the Digital Curation Centre bid last year things would have been very different. Most of the CAMiLEON team are now mainly working outside the field. If you want to see some of the content from Domesday (but not the original interface) take a trip to the National Archives. They've got a Windows program that uses pictures and data migrated from the Community disc. Details here: http://www.ariadne.ac.uk/issue36/tna/ |
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Peter Howkins |
Message #93122, posted by flibble at 13:57, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93121 |
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I would have hoped after all the effort that there would be more than once place in the country that it could be used :( With the way things have changed since 1986, even having one in each big library (as I believe many were then) would seem to be limiting the information. They've already broken copyright in doing the project and setting up the machine at the NRO, why not break it some more and put it on a website. Heres to dreaming. |
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Peter Howkins |
Message #93123, posted by flibble at 14:12, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93122 |
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My apologies, after reading around the subject some more it appears the (c) rests with the BBC, who were in a position to allow the copy at the National Archive (not the NRO as I mistook). I guess the best course of action is to find some similar minded people to write to the BCC to ask them to make it available. Anyone else interested ? |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #93124, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:24, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93123 |
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CAMiLEON didn't break copyright. "Reading of s.42 CDPA 1988 in conjunction with the relevant sections of The Copyright (Librarians and Archivists) (Copying of Copyright Material) Regulations 1989 suggests that copying of the 1986 Domesday Project for preservation, replacement or archiving would be permitted without the need for additional permission from rightsholders, if the necessary criteria can be met." -- from http://www.si.umich.edu/CAMILEON/reports/IPRreport.doc A web version is entirely possible - if somebody has the money for the development. A clientside java emulator and a serverside laserdisc black box providing images and data would be lovely. Domesday For Windows in the National Archives was developed independently of CAMiLEON, btw. |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #93125, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:32, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93124 |
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Oops, you posted again in the time it too me to reply. There's also the Ordnance Survey who own the copyright on all the maps. I wouldn't be suprised if the BBC want to do something themselves with the data they own. Don't just expect people to agree though - I've heard rumours that some people don't like the association with Domesday - they perceive it as a failure (it was a commercial flop). It would be cool to do a new version now that the web and digital cameras are so popular. |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #93126, posted by rich at 14:40, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93125 |
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It would be cool to do a new version now that the web and digital cameras are so popular. Start the campaign, monkeyson! Go for it!Or do you mean it'd be cool for someone else to do it? :) |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #93127, posted by andypoole at 14:51, 19/7/2004, in reply to message #93126 |
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Yes, let us know when you're finished! |
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Ewen Roberts |
Message #93128, posted by ewenr at 02:05, 21/7/2004, in reply to message #93127 |
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If anyone is looking for the ElectrEm OS X port, they can find it on the:
ElectrEm Site. Please note that ElectrEm was written by Thomas Harte, I only ported it to OS X. |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #93129, posted by rich at 09:04, 21/7/2004, in reply to message #93128 |
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Thanks Ewen, updated. |
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Domesday resurrection commended
