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RISCOS Ltd. updates |
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(15:01 23/3/2001)
Lee Johnston (16:07 23/3/2001)
Geoff Youngs (13:17 24/3/2001)
Rob Kendrick (19:07 24/3/2001)
Rob (00:53 25/3/2001)
Richard Goodwin (08:28 26/3/2001)
Nick Wright (21:58 26/3/2001)
John Duffell (13:25 27/3/2001)
Lee Johnston (14:20 27/3/2001)
Rob Kendrick (17:43 27/3/2001)
John Duffell (18:44 28/3/2001)
Andrew P Harmsworth (19:01 28/3/2001)
Andrew P Harmsworth (19:02 28/3/2001)
Richard Goodwin (09:44 29/3/2001)
Chris Williams (16:58 31/3/2001)
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Rob Kendrick |
Message #88395, posted at 15:01, 23/3/2001 |
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Nice to see that they're giving away pretty much all of AcornC/C++ (the missing part is CFront, because Pace don't have a licence, Acorn piggybacked off Olivetti's licence) for free. That's about 125ukp worth if you want to buy it from CJE or another dealer. They can't be happy.
If the manuals are a problem, they're all on ROL's manual CD, which costs, what 20 quid? Bloody good deal, it seems to me. I wonder if they've done this on purpose, to try and spur some development (although I would this this would have a limited effect without CFront) or just another accident? |
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Lee Johnston |
Message #88396, posted at 16:07, 23/3/2001, in reply to message #88395 |
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IIRC one of Pace's employees mentioned on the newsgroups that their intention was to provide the upgrade at "nominal" cost. I haven't downloaded it yet and so didn't realise that most of the DDE was there.
As much as this might annoy the dealers I have to say I'm glad Pace have done it - hopefully it'll encourage more people to develop with it.
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Geoff Youngs |
Message #88397, posted at 13:17, 24/3/2001, in reply to message #88396 |
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Ah, but it doesn't include everything - some common header files are missing in the libraries (e.g stdlib.h and kernel.h) and although it includes new versions of !Find and new apps (I don't know whether these were in the last Acorn devlopers release, but they weren't in the last public release) such as UnModSqz, it doesn't include a new version of !DDT or ResEd/ResCreate/ResTest.
It is enough for someone to write modules in C for free - IIRC, for 10ukp they could purchase all the neccessary docs on CD from RISC OS Ltd. It might also be enough for people to write toolbox apps without OSLib for free, but they would either need to already have the munged version of ResEd (patched free version) or write an equivalent or create all their objects and gadgets from scratch. |
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Rob Kendrick |
Message #88398, posted at 19:07, 24/3/2001, in reply to message #88397 |
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SharedCLibrary compatible header files are available from GCC's website (including the stub).
It comes with a new DDT /module/ all that's missing is the front end, which is no loss (I tend to use *DebugAIF anyway).
I think people know my feelings towards the toolbox :) Desk(Lib) is much nicer in many ways IMO. |
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Rob |
Message #88399, posted at 00:53, 25/3/2001, in reply to message #88398 |
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It's great that these development tools have been made available. Should be very positive for RISC OS. One question though... can I legally use them (for non-profit free software of course)?
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #88400, posted at 08:28, 26/3/2001, in reply to message #88399 |
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Anyone want to put together a guide to gathering together all the different parts (including URLs) to get a development kit? |
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Nick Wright |
Message #88401, posted at 21:58, 26/3/2001, in reply to message #88400 |
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I mentioned this a while back in the forums but ill say it again - Risc OS Ltd must update !ResEd and !ResTest as they are excellent and far superior to ANY template file editors Ive come across to date. |
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John Duffell |
Message #88402, posted at 13:25, 27/3/2001, in reply to message #88401 |
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You can get updated versions, but you have to be a Semi commercial developer (or registered developer) and ROL seem to have toruble giving membership (some server password problem, they want me to think) |
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Lee Johnston |
Message #88403, posted at 14:20, 27/3/2001, in reply to message #88402 |
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In theory anyway. I never managed to get a peep out of them as a semi-commercial developer, even after my name and address were taken at Epsom. I've given up on any chance of a refund as I simply don't have the time to keep chasing them up. Instead I simply won't bother renewing.
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Rob Kendrick |
Message #88404, posted at 17:43, 27/3/2001, in reply to message #88403 |
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Out of interest, is the only reason we put up with RISCOS Ltd. that fact that they distribute our favorite desktop OS? |
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John Duffell |
Message #88405, posted at 18:44, 28/3/2001, in reply to message #88404 |
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The thing that REALLY annys me is that they have the exclusive rights to RISC OS in the desktop market.... seing as they are sitting about swindling everyone and not bothering to get the 32bit RO bought and sold into the desktop market...
I wish Pace were licensed to sell int the desktop market :-( I'm going to speak to ROL at wakefield and demand my SCD money back... I haven't got a peep out of the either.
John |
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Andrew P Harmsworth |
Message #88406, posted at 19:01, 28/3/2001, in reply to message #88405 |
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Gosh, it's a great shame to see so many people narked off with RISCOS Ltd about their communication problems. If RISCOS Ltd read the above comments, perhaps they'll act to prevent (the above) giving up. It cannot be good for their image at all.
Regarding all the updates, I think it's great news, and only goes to show how seriously Pace are taking RISC OS. We certainly wouldn't have seen these updates so quickly from just RISCOS Ltd.
Wakefield will be an extremely interesting show. Let's hope it is not a disappointment.
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Andrew P Harmsworth |
Message #88407, posted at 19:02, 28/3/2001, in reply to message #88406 |
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By the way, has anyone noticed that it says "Last updated 2 January 2001" above? :) |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #88408, posted at 09:44, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88407 |
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That's the date the PHP3 script for editing/viewing comments was last updated. |
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Chris Williams |
Message #88409, posted at 16:58, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88408 |
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re: why don't ROL release the 32bit OS?
I'm afraid that moving to 32bit RISC OS isn't a case of selling a new batch of ROMs. Unless an application is in BASIC, it'll break. Simple as that, of course this is considering the fact that the software author hasn't recompiled or modified the application's source code.
Moving to 32bit RISC OS will break Impression, Artworks, my expansion cards, the works. I think it's best if we didn't find out what goes on behind the ROL doors and maybe wait a little longer. I know this is frustrating but things like the 32bit development of RISC OS takes time. Pace aren't giving ROL everything on a plate and we need to get some software ready before an OS is released.
I don't think ROL is swindle-ing anyone, they aren't just the huge RO saviour we all expected them to be. They are the distributors and neutral central access point of the RO market. The RO market is a group effort and that involves co-operation. The way the hardware companies are playing each other off, (lets wait to see what he is releasing), is more of an issue.
Sorry for the erm rant, but I don't like seeing people getting upset and feeling bitter.
Chris (speaking personally) |
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