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Codename: Merlin |
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flibble (15:25 18/5/2004)
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Peter Howkins |
Message #92979, posted by flibble at 15:25, 18/5/2004 |
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1) Make it open source, and get some real 'open consultation'. |
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Andrew |
Message #92980, posted by andrew at 16:00, 18/5/2004, in reply to message #92979 |
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That depends on Castle getting significant revenue from elsewhere does it not?
Castle need to be make profits if RISC OS has a future. |
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Peter Howkins |
Message #92981, posted by flibble at 16:45, 18/5/2004, in reply to message #92980 |
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Such as hardware perhaps ? |
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Andrew |
Message #92982, posted by andrew at 18:03, 18/5/2004, in reply to message #92981 |
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If it's enough of course. |
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Antony Sidwell |
Message #92983, posted by ajps at 18:25, 18/5/2004, in reply to message #92982 |
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If RISC OS was open source, Castle wouldn't need to make a profit for RISC OS to have a future. For Castle to have a future, they would indeed need to make money from elsewhere. :) |
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Michael Stubbs |
Message #92984, posted by arenaman at 10:26, 19/5/2004, in reply to message #92983 |
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Stop trolling. It is childish to suggest that a company releases it's intellectual property into the public domain. Castle is a business. Their aim is to survive and flourish, which often means making money. They'll hardly make a lot of money if their central product is open source, will they. |
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Colin Cartmell-Browne |
Message #92985, posted by Col at 11:10, 19/5/2004, in reply to message #92984 |
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Besides if Castle made RO open source wouldn't you end up with 100's of different OS's rather than just two? |
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Horse |
Message #92986, posted at 12:24, 19/5/2004, in reply to message #92985 |
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No, if RISC OS was open source, you'd quite possibly have a single community-developed OS with substantial momentum, entering markets where the commercial entities don't want (or can't afford) to go. You'd also see some real enhancements being made, too, rather than seeing the emperor's dinner service, looted from his palace when the horsemen rode into town, being polished for the nth time. |
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Gunnlaugur Jonsson |
Message #92987, posted by Gulli at 16:04, 19/5/2004, in reply to message #92986 |
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dream on! |
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Michael Stubbs |
Message #92988, posted by arenaman at 01:34, 20/5/2004, in reply to message #92987 |
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Horse: I guess it would have stopped the two different versions of RISC OS appearing, too, just like Linux being open source has ensured there aren't several different versions floating about and that the interface remains constant. Oh, no, wait, that didn't work... Open source isn't as good as it sounds. If it was open source, for example, the RISC OS interface could be simply added to a Linux base (a bit like MacOS X) and then goodbye RISC OS on ARM hardware. |
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rick Denkers |
Message #92989, posted by rdenk at 07:41, 20/5/2004, in reply to message #92988 |
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Did Castle realised that the codename ' merlin' was also used by IBM?
IBM used it for their os/2 warp V4, codename merlin.....Regards, Rick |
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GuestX |
Message #92990, posted by guestx at 08:27, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92989 |
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I guess what Horse is trying to say is that, with an open source RISC OS, at least the users get a decent choice about which variant of RISC OS they get to use, and that (like Linux distributions) the choices are laid bare. With RISC OS, on the other hand, it's all about commercial politics. Want Select on your Iyonix? Too bad that it isn't on the agenda of the company which developed it; too bad that company seemingly have it on their agenda to actively *not* support that platform. At least a community-driven RISC OS would attempt to tackle such issues. |
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Ian Jeffray |
Message #92991, posted by Ian at 08:57, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92990 |
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guestx> You're talking utter bollocks. |
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GuestX |
Message #92992, posted by guestx at 13:34, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92991 |
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OK. Which part is bollocks, then? The bit about the differences between Linux distributions being completely in the open and widely known, or the bit about the fish in the small pond splashing around trying to nibble each other's fins? First off, let's brush aside the doubt about Linux distros. Yes, some distros make different decisions about the various pieces of software that gets shipped with the kernel, but you usually have (1) a ton of choices about which distro floats your boat (look at distrowatch for a start) and (2) a fair degree of control over whether you get to run the latest KDE (for example) or not. As for the fighting minnows situation, I can well imagine a number of useful and substantial projects that could get done (or have been done) on RISC OS if the community were (or had been) involved. I might as well use the past tense, however, because by the time RISC OS does become open source (ie. if some commerical entity doesn't insist on being buried with it), there's likely be more community interest in nostalgia-driven, leather-clad Peter Bondar dolls than in reworking the RISC OS source code for the post-microcomputer age. |
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Ian Jeffray |
Message #92993, posted by Ian at 15:29, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92992 |
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You're just a Troll. Why do you even bother using this website? |
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GuestX |
Message #92994, posted by guestx at 15:55, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92993 |
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If stating the obvious (and correcting comfortable misconceptions) is trolling, then I suppose I'm doing a pretty good job of it. ;-) |
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Andrew Duffell |
Message #92995, posted by ad at 16:52, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92994 |
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Okay folks... time to count to ten and chill a bit. |
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Michael Stubbs |
Message #92996, posted by arenaman at 23:30, 21/5/2004, in reply to message #92995 |
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Troll/guestx: I agree ROL could well die, which is due to not meeting the demands of the customer base (32bit RISC OS). However, even if the desktop market was to die, there is nothing saying that RISC OS and Castle would go with it. As you ought to know, RISC OS is not just used on the desktop. But it looks very far from being dead, what with the IyonixPC and RISC OS 5 and all the software that is now 32bit. The market has looked as far from being dead as it has been since Acorn stopped trading. Now stop trolling. |
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GuestX |
Message #92997, posted by guestx at 09:48, 24/5/2004, in reply to message #92996 |
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Trolling indeed! Anyway, I think your fears of RISC OS on ARM disappearing after a hypothetical open source release of the software are misguided. It's quite possible that RISC OS on ARM would have less significance over time, especially since one of the first things likely to happen would be an attempt to port as much of it as possible to other platforms and architectures. But the emergence of Virtual Acorn suggests that the market entertains such developments anyway, even when the means of executing them is substantially more convoluted. Meanwhile, consider the benefits for RISC OS on ARM from an open source release. Creative thinkers (eg. Niall Douglas with his Wimp2 stuff) would actually have a realistic chance of delivering production quality goods with full access to the source code, rather than having to second guess the workings of the software. Moreover, such developments would stand a chance of becoming mainstream. Meanwhile, in the closed source world of RISC OS, are either of the commercial guardians willing to take the risks in such an overhaul of the software? |
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Castle have just emailed with plans for the future of RISC OS. This includes a "6 week period of open consultation with the RISC OS community to assist Castle's management in allocating development resources through its internal Green Paper".
