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Hertzsprung Message #10392, posted at 08:38, 26/4/2002
Unregistered user I'm having a holiday next week, so in the unlikely event that you notice my absence - that's where I am - on holiday.
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andrew Message #10393, posted at 08:44, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10392
Unregistered user Where are you going James?
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10394, posted by [mentat] at 08:58, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10392
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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I'm having a holiday next week, so in the unlikely event that you notice my absence - that's where I am - on holiday.

Yes, do tell. Going anywhere nice enough to make us jealous?

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Hertzsprung Message #10397, posted at 11:03, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10396
Unregistered user Saxophone.
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10400, posted by [mentat] at 12:20, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10399
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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Jazz eh? What county's that?

Done any ABRSM grades?

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monkeyson Message #10402, posted at 12:46, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10401
Unregistered user One of my friends lives in a grade 2 listed building. Everybody in the house can play the piano quite well.
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andrew Message #10403, posted at 12:46, 26/4/2002, in reply to message #10401
Unregistered user Is Jazz complex - it always seems almost random to an ignoramus like me?
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andrew Message #10407, posted at 13:36, 30/4/2002, in reply to message #10406
Unregistered user How was the jubilee jazz-fest?
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Hertzsprung Message #10410, posted at 09:41, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10409
Unregistered user I guess so - in that case I have 'mastered it'. What instrument do you/did you play?
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andrew Message #10411, posted at 11:23, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10410
Unregistered user Twas the 'bone I think?
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Hertzsprung Message #10412, posted at 11:58, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10411
Unregistered user Ah, the trumpophone - a fine instrument indeed.
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10413, posted by [mentat] at 12:17, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10411
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Twas the 'bone I think?

Where DO you get your info, AW?

I do play the trumpet. I can (physically) play the trombone, but not with any skill.

I play with the bone, but that's another story.

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moss Message #10415, posted at 12:49, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10414
Unregistered user I used to play the flute, but then I accidentally shoved it up Alyson Hannigan. So I don't want to play it any more.
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andrew Message #10417, posted at 12:53, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10413
Unregistered user
Twas the 'bone I think?

Where DO you get your info, AW?

I do play the trumpet. I can (physically) play the trombone, but not with any skill.

I play with the bone, but that's another story.

I thought it was the trombone?
Leave tyour dog alone, how would you like it if somebody started meddling with your platter at mealtimes or snacktimes?

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Hertzsprung Message #10419, posted at 12:57, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10418
Unregistered user Yeah, improvisation on guitar isn't nearly as easy as on sax!
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10420, posted by [mentat] at 13:38, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10418
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Why's that?

Sax and guitar are both instruments that allow you to easily slide around between notes, quickly and in a manner well suited to jazz (and hiding feck-ups).

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andrew Message #10422, posted at 14:20, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10421
Unregistered user How do you get all the pitches of a trumpet with only 3 stops/small number of stops?
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andrew Message #10425, posted at 14:50, 7/5/2002, in reply to message #10424
Unregistered user The frumpet only has 3 notes then?
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Hertzsprung Message #10416, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10414
Unregistered user Yeah, sax is pretty easy as instruments go. I play some other instruments (but not anywhere near as well as sax) - piano, drums and guitar - all of which are blduckduckdy hard!
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Hertzsprung Message #10429, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10428
Unregistered user Wow! That was an impressive explanation cool
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Loris Message #10428, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10427
Unregistered user
How do you get all the pitches of a trumpet with only 3 stops/small number of stops?

With difficulty. wink

The word is ombochure (spelled wrong most probably).

Actually, your explanation isn't bad. smile

Three keys/valves = 8 combinations anyway.


Hmmm.
I used to play the Trombone. Although it's got a slidey wub, there are only 7 discreet positions to get on-key notes. And number 7 is sort of a variation on position 1, IIRC. I could never reach it, anyway.
You can get different notes by varying your mouth's vibrations, as said above.
The instrument vibrates at a certain frequency dependent on the length of air in it. In the trombone this is easy to see.. In the trumpet the valves introduce extra lengths of tubing (or possibly remove them, I'm not sure)
So. Bearing in mind that I'm not that musical and I've not played for a long time (E&OE):
According to the western scheme for mathematically describing pitch:
An octave covers one doubling of frequency (cycles per second). Middle C is 256Hz, C in the octave above is 512Hz.
8 'tones' cover one octave.
ABCDEFGA
and each note can be varied by a semitone; half a tone in either direction to be 'sharp' or 'flat'.
There are theoretical differences between Asharp and Bflat, but I don't think these are recognised in practice.
Which suggests the need for 16 different positions for each octave covered.
So.
To get one octave difference, one should get the air to vibrate twice as fast, which can be done at the same (valve) position on the instrument.
(I might be wrong here - it kind of depends on how the air vibrates inside; I've mostly forgotten the physics involved but it depends on the ends and requires a standing wave to result.)
And you can get different harmonics (which are not multiples of 2) but fractions, where the air is vibrating in a different way.
Therefore, and IIRC, you don't use all the positions uniformly for each octave and you get several different notes at the same position within the octave.
Maybe if I'd been taught the mathmatics, rather than note positions by rote I might have learned it easier and better.
Hope that's muddied the waters wink

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10427, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10422
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How do you get all the pitches of a trumpet with only 3 stops/small number of stops?

With difficulty. wink

The word is ombochure (spelled wrong most probably).

Actually, your explanation isn't bad. smile

Three keys/valves = 8 combinations anyway.

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Hertzsprung Message #10426, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10425
Unregistered user No the frumpet has many notes. Combinations of valves produce small changes in pitch and a change in the lip-vibration (there's probably a technical term for that) produces large changes in pitch. The higher the note, the more rapidly your lips vibrate. [mentat] - a better explanation please? smile
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Hertzsprung Message #10424, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10423
Unregistered user
Goddamn I hate Windows text selection - why does it think I want to select whole words.
But it's better than NO text selection in RISC OS browsers...

Yeah, well text selection in general far surpasses that of whinedoze. And you'll have to wait for !NetSurf for text selection in browsers grin

Sorry. Erm. Yes I agree - you can do that on most instruments, can't you? If you can hide the f-ups and make them sound cool, you can con your audience into thinking you're really good - well, that's what I do, anyway
Yeah, but it's easier on sax than on trumpet.

Okay, I'll agree with that.

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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10423, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10421
[mentat]Fear is the mind-killer
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Goddamn I hate Windows text selection - why does it think I want to select whole words.

But it's better than NO text selection in RISC OS browsers... unhappy unhappy unhappy

Sorry. Erm. Yes I agree - you can do that on most instruments, can't you? If you can hide the f-ups and make them sound cool, you can con your audience into thinking you're really good - well, that's what I do, anyway grin

Yeah, but it's easier on sax than on trumpet. indiff

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Hertzsprung Message #10421, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10420
Unregistered user

Sax and guitar are both instruments that allow you to easily slide around between notes, quickly and in a manner well suited to jazz (and hiding feck-ups).

Goddamn I hate Windows text selection - why does it think I want to select whole words. frown

Sorry. Erm. Yes I agree - you can do that on most instruments, can't you? If you can hide the f-ups and make them sound cool, you can con your audience into thinking you're really good - well, that's what I do, anyway grin

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andrew Message #10418, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10414
Unregistered user
I guess so - in that case I have 'mastered it'.

Gah, blmonkeymonkeydy Sax players. tongue Actually, I have quite a few friends who play Sax.

It seems to me that, as wind instruments go, Sax is one of the easiest to improvise with, simply due to the convenience (for impro purposes) of the fingering technique (WHAT?!).

Guitar players also seem to have a ludicrous advantage in this area.

Why's that?

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Hertzsprung Message #10401, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10400
Unregistered user Devon. Yep - I've done grade 8 - distinction grin
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun Message #10414, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10410
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I guess so - in that case I have 'mastered it'.

Gah, blmonkeymonkeydy Sax players. tongue Actually, I have quite a few friends who play Sax.

It seems to me that, as wind instruments go, Sax is one of the easiest to improvise with, simply due to the convenience (for impro purposes) of the fingering technique (WHAT?!).

Guitar players also seem to have a ludicrous advantage in this area.

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Hertzsprung Message #10395, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #10394
Unregistered user
Yes, do tell. Going anywhere nice enough to make us jealous?

Err. Would you be jealous if I said I was going to Exeter? tongue I thought not. I'm playing for the Queen, actually grin - part of some Jubilee event, I believe.

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