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Xscale + New RISCOS |
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(19:09 20/10/2000)
johnstlr (08:25 23/10/2000)
monkeyson (11:39 23/10/2000)
[mentat] (13:58 15/6/2002)
[Steve] (13:58 15/6/2002)
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arenaman (14:26 3/12/2000)
ams (19:39 4/12/2000)
Matrix (13:58 15/6/2002)
arenaman (13:58 15/6/2002)
ams (18:46 25/10/2000)
RevinKevin (13:58 15/6/2002)
[mentat] (13:58 15/6/2002)
Steve (13:58 15/6/2002)
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milligoon |
Message #521, posted at 19:09, 20/10/2000 |
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Well we wanted new faster hardware. How many people will back it by buying rather than talking about it into an early grave, let's hope millipede can accumulate addequate support and backing.
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johnstlr |
Message #524, posted at 08:25, 23/10/2000, in reply to message #521 |
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I heaved a sigh of relief when I saw the Omega posters at the show. At last someone has created a machine that (hardware wise) addresses most (if not all) of the complaints of RISC OS computers. Of course with it being much closer to what I'd like I guess I won't be buying the laptop. In general people at the show seemed to be less gloomy than before - could we really be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel? Admittedly I couldn't get answers to technical questions out of RISC OS Ltd as they don't know the answers (they have made a note to refund my semi-commerical developer status fee though) but they did give me a number of someone to contact about some concerns I have. So will I buy an Omega? I hate to say it but probably not...... ..... ...the guy at RiscStation seemed to reckon Evolution will leapfrog everything. The only downer is that there's no timescale for it.
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monkeyson |
Message #525, posted at 11:39, 23/10/2000, in reply to message #524 |
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It seems all rather nice if you ask me. But I'm in the market for buying a new machine *NOW* not in a 3-6-9-12 months time, depending on how deadlines get missed. If you say the name too quickly, it sounds a bit like Amiga... |
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mfrissen |
Message #531, posted at 11:24, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #521 |
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Well, it's no1 on my gotta-have-this-gadget list.
Too bad it has no integrated FireWire ports...
Oh well, maybe there'll be drivers for my PCI FW card..... |
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ams |
Message #536, posted at 18:46, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #521 |
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Well we wanted new faster hardware.How many people will back it by buying rather than talking about it into an early grave, let's hope millipede can accumulate addequate support and backing. Actually Millipede seemed to have made considerable progress (judging from their stand). They had a sample xscale daughterboard (so they seem to be investigating this as an upgrade). Seeing a better than megapixel display scrolled by mouse movements using a bog standard StrongArm over the ample Millipede 128 bit/100MHz bus I must say I was impressed - it was very smooth and with not a hint of flicker. The hardware is capable of 1.6GBytes per second transfer rates and seeing even an unassisted SA-110 strut its stuff shows how good a job of optimising the bus bandwidth they've done. On the technical front Millipede's Imago is far more advanced than Omega and without compromises like PCI lumbered on it. As to which will appear first I can't say, but at least Omega sets the price/performance benchmark for the others to aim at. Millipede, RiscStation and Castle please take note ! |
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arenaman |
Message #544, posted at 14:26, 3/12/2000, in reply to message #538 |
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I'd like to think that castle will stop bolting things onto the (well-loved) RPC motherboard and just design a new one (and a new, sensibly-expandable-but-still-RPC-stylish case while they're at it!!!) I don't care about the case, but I couldn't agree more about a new motherboard. However, it is fairly evident that indeed that's what Castle are indeed doing: 1) I am sure I read that Kinetic was a sort-of offshoot from main development work but I can't find those comments now. However, their site does say that it is part of their ongoing development program. 2) Castle hae admitted that faster processors, up-to-date input/output, decent video and USB are their next targets, so this could only realistically mean a new motherboard. 3) Castle aren't about to watch their customers being removed by MicroDigital and do nothing about it!!! The thing is, you never know when Castle will spring some fantastic new development on you. Personally, I'm going to have some faith and hold on a while :-) |
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ams |
Message #545, posted at 19:39, 4/12/2000, in reply to message #544 |
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Imago fits rather neatly into the RPC base slice, that would certainly be one upgrade path.If we've thought of it no doubt Castle has too !
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #533, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #531 |
![[mentat]](/images/smileys/mentat.gif) Fear is the mind-killer
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The laptop is my next gadget thankyou - at least then I can show the fabled RISCOS to everyone.... which Is why I think that this is the most important machine of the immediate future. Having X-scale, new RISCOS etc in the wings will then give substance and future to the platform. All good  |
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arenaman |
Message #543, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #542 |
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I agree with you martin...With the new SA we have the new 64 bits system bus where is possible to build a new RiscPC card with a new Pentium... (a PII or a PIII) and an SA or maybe 2 NEW SA for multiprocess with a SMB board... About have both old SA and new SA on the same board i think that it will be very very difficult (to much hardware differences) ... so i don't know about the "omega" two processors i think that it will have two processors of the same type, i want remember that other timing problems now there is a different system bus, different cache (also not syncronised) so i think that is better not talk for now about a board with 26 bits processors and 32 bits processors running togeter... 
The Omega uses the old StrongARM and will take the new one as a second processor. RISC OS runs off the old StrongARM but 32bit apps can use the new processor directly. MD's custom chips pass the data to the new chip and then send it back to the OS in a format it understands.
Haven't the faintest idea how Mr Atkins can figure all this out but he has. |
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Matrix |
Message #542, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #538 |
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I agree with you martin... With the new SA we have the new 64 bits system bus where is possible to build a new RiscPC card with a new Pentium... (a PII or a PIII) and an SA or maybe 2 NEW SA for multiprocess with a SMB board... About have both old SA and new SA on the same board i think that it will be very very difficult (to much hardware differences) ... so i don't know about the "omega" two processors i think that it will have two processors of the same type, i want remember that other timing problems now there is a different system bus, different cache (also not syncronised) so i think that is better not talk for now about a board with 26 bits processors and 32 bits processors running togeter... |
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #541, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #540 |
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Since the reply to the above isn't anything to do with XScale etc I've put it on the site comments page here.
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alpha |
Message #540, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #539 |
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and I can see I'm going to have to tweak the profanity filter  . An option to automatically replace things like "riscOS" and "RiscOS" with "RISC OS" might be on the cards as well  . |
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rich |
Message #539, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #535 |
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I can see I'm going to have to produce some new smileys to add to the monkey! |
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #538, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #534 |
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Marco,true, but a notebook with a passive display instead of TFT? sigh.. not very hyper-buzzword-sexy-cool-swift-sophisticated-bollocks, thank you I know, but what can ya do? Interesting that your use of the word "bollocks" wasn't censored but my "damn" was *ed out on this site once.  Although I agree taking riscOS 'on the prowl' .. is a very nice idea  Once I've got the cash, I will most definately be prowling. Just call me "tiger" (where's the tiger smiley???!!!!)
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Steve, Can someone lock that monkey up its doing my head in!!
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Kev, Will Castle produce a card like the kinetic for the Xscale, and a USB PCI card. I'd like to think that castle will stop bolting things onto the (well-loved) RPC motherboard and just design a new one (and a new, sensibly-expandable-but-still-RPC-stylish case while they're at it!!!) |
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RevinKevin |
Message #537, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #536 |
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Will Castle produce a card like the kinetic for the Xscale, and a USB PCI card. But good news about the Omega using two procesors for backward compailiblity. |
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[Steve] |
Message #535, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #534 |
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Can someone lock that monkey up its doing my head in!! |
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mfrissen |
Message #534, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #533 |
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The laptop is my next gadget thankyou - at least then I can show the fabled RISCOS to everyone.... which Is why I think that this is the most important machine of the immediate future.
true, but a notebook with a passive display instead of TFT? sigh.. not very hyper-buzzword-sexy-cool-swift-sophisticated-bollocks, thank you Although I agree taking riscOS 'on the prowl' .. is a very nice idea |
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #532, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #531 |
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Message #530, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #529 |
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You are a greedy greedy bad bad monkey!
(Just 4 or 5 would do me nicely - make a change from 2!!!) |
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[Steve] |
Message #529, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #528 |
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I'm not the only one then!! Maybe I'm just greedy, I have 8 on my PC |
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Message #528, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #527 |
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That's exactly what I said In fact, it almost looks as if there aren't any ! Still, we'll see.... |
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[Steve] |
Message #527, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #526 |
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There's not enough bays in that case!!!!!!!! Apart from that great |
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Message #526, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #525 |
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It does sound a bit like Amiga, and this caused confusion during more than one conversation I had at the show!
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Steve |
Message #523, posted at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #522 |
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I would be only too willing to buy an Omega, however I've only just spent a fairly large wad of cash on upgrading my RiscPC with a Kinetic card, so I'm going to have to sit and watch developments for a while. Looking at it in another way, by the time I can afford to upgrade perhaps there will be a full 32bit RISC OS available... |
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Message #522, posted by [mentat] at 13:58, 15/6/2002, in reply to message #521 |
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And now of course Microdigital have jumped into the fray with their Omega (see the RISC OS 2000 show report). Of course we'll buy them! |
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