It's especially frustrating seeing that ROL explicitly stated the version of RISC OS inside the A9home would not feature any Select 4 stuff. Basically a 32bit version of Adjust with added support for the A9home hardware. To gain extra Select 4 functionality, an A9home user would have to subscribe like everybody else. But they've clearly put Select 4 functionality in the current build! Coupled with past experiences, this makes ROL more and more untrustworthy and will continue to reflect badly on them. Not only have Select subscribers financed the A9home's OS these last few years, now ROL has also thrown in Select 4 functionality ... all very unfair to subscribers, in my opinion.

• Indeed a pity they only offer such to those who can visit a show. With a one-day-event the cost to travel there is just too high (unless you know of enough offerings beforehand).
• Can those who have subscribed for UKP 155 now quit and resubscribe for UKP 99? How must those who kept on subscribing to Select and thus paid three years subscriptions feel that those not having money to throw away are proven right to have quit select since now they get it much cheaper?

Lucky me having an IYONIX pc so that both doesn't really affect me

I couldn't agree more, Kees. It's all nice and well Advantage Six demonstrates progress in their chosen field, but what about their current customers? The A9home has been officially released exactly 1 year ago, because Ad6 believed it to be ready. Well, it clearly isn't and a customer shouldn't need to care if it's RISCOS Ltd's or Ad6's fault; Ad6 have a responsibility to provide their customers with a finished OS.

It's especially frustrating seeing that ROL explicitly stated the version of RISC OS inside the A9home would not feature any Select 4 stuff. Basically a 32bit version of Adjust with added support for the A9home hardware. To gain extra Select 4 functionality, an A9home user would have to subscribe like everybody else. But they've clearly put Select 4 functionality in the current build! Coupled with past experiences, this makes ROL more and more untrustworthy and will continue to reflect badly on them. Not only have Select subscribers financed the A9home's OS these last few years, now ROL has also thrown in Select 4 functionality ... all very unfair to subscribers, in my opinion.

Regarding the discount on RO Six/Select, I think that if ROL attends a show in the Netherlands, they'll offer a similar discount. I think the stand-alone RO Six for £49 offer was interesting, because that seems unusually low a cost for them, also considering the time that went into it. Another sign of their increasingly financial troubles? I also wonder if that RO Six build contains the current Select 4i2 functionality?

On a more positive note, the news regarding ROOL is excellent and another sign the Castle 'side of the fence' are indeed as good as their word. The NetSurf 1.0 release is great, as usual Martin Wuerther has delivered some serious updates to ArtWorks and the overall show atmosphere seemed very enjoyable. I look forward to a show in the Netherlands.

Have fun with the iMac, it's a really cool computer, with quite a lot of RISC OS-like functionality in the OS. In the near future, we should be able to run VRPC on it to make it the complete solution!

[Edited by illuminatius at 14:10, 20/5/2007]

Now this would be the perfect monitor to use with the A9wai1

Now this would be the perfect monitor to use with the A9wai1

Or, build the A9 into a ($1500) keyboard.

http://store.artlebedev.com/catalog/computer_add-ons/optimus/

Since Advantage 6 only make them not sell them direct except for the early beta (pre-official release version), they are sold and marketed by CJE Micro's. Any complaints should be going to them not Advantage 6. Advantage 6 supply under contract to the customer in this case CJE Micro's.

How many times does this myth have to squashed. Select subscribers have *NOT* financed the A9home's OS. Advantage 6 put in money to pay for the necessary work to allow a 32 bit version of RISC OS 4 work on the A9 - remember that's Advantage 6 customers are primarily OEM's, we just get the spinoffs - The RISC OS market is simply too small to pay for the work.

It was intend originally that the 32 it RO4 would be out on the A9home just ahead of the Select version, but things changed behind the scenes that caused changes.

My understanding after a brief conversation with the parties concerned was that Ad 6 where awaiting for the necessary driver work to be completed for A9home to work at once with RO6 and that it was likely that users would actually get RO6 in the near future once the drivers were completed and CJE Micro's as Advantage 6's customer was happy, and not before.

Regarding the discount on RO Six/Select, I think that if ROL attends a show in the Netherlands, they'll offer a similar discount. I think the stand-alone RO Six for £49 offer was interesting, because that seems unusually low a cost for them, also considering the time that went into it. Another sign of their increasingly financial troubles? I also wonder if that RO Six build contains the current Select 4i2 functionality?

Two things to correct here.

1) The offer was NOT just for the show day. Also the 49 pound single machine licence can be upgrade to the full to the 10 user and Select subs for 50 pounds any time before 31/07/07

2) Select 4i2 *IS* RISC OS 6 Select 4i2 means Select 4 release 2 (release one was the preview of RO6). RISC OS 6 is the version.

On a more positive note, the news regarding ROOL is excellent and another sign the Castle 'side of the fence' are indeed as good as their word. The NetSurf 1.0 release is great, as usual Martin Wuerther has delivered some serious updates to ArtWorks and the overall show atmosphere seemed very enjoyable. I look forward to a show in the Netherlands.

I am still not conviced of the benefits at all of the ROOL 'open sources' its simply going to complicate things even more. I will play a waiting game on it to see if its the last throw of the dice by Castle.

Netsurf is getting better all the time and with the news they are now planning Javascript makes it even better.

A bit of a myth like 3 years' worth of Select subscriptions seeing nothing in the hands of subscribers? Oh wait, there was this 'Preview' build that broke more than it added. Give me a break. If the subscriptions weren't used for 32 bitting the OS, fine. I guess it was spent on coffee and biscuits then. It has been mentioned by various parties several times, that Advantage Six paid for the A9home specific bits. As far as I can tell, the A9home project served as the incentive to convert RISC OS 4 to 32bit neutral sources, which was funded and carried out by RISCOS Ltd. But it never has all been made really crystal-clear, has it?