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Mr Jake Monkeyson |
Message #90242, posted at 17:18, 20/2/2002 |
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But for those of you who need their copyright fix: http://www.jenkins-ip.com/patlaw/indextop.htm
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Message #90243, posted at 19:06, 20/2/2002, in reply to message #90242 |
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One of New Zealands biggest newspapers had an article about the XScale on monday. In the article they said the StrongARM will be around for a few years yet due to its popularity in PDA's. A small company here is developing a car navigation system built around the Xscale. Not RISCOS news, but interesting non the less :-) |
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Mr Jake Monkeyson |
Message #90244, posted at 19:13, 20/2/2002, in reply to message #90243 |
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So if the Xscale is out, will Microdigital be getting any? |
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Message #90245, posted at 19:35, 20/2/2002, in reply to message #90244 |
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I hope MD have some Xscales :-). If they update there website I will email them some details. I am very confident they would publish something. |
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John Hoare |
Message #90246, posted at 21:35, 20/2/2002, in reply to message #90245 |
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Hooray - another show! I'll try and get down for this one, as the last one I was at was Wakefield 2001. And I might get to drool over the portable at least, even if I can't afford it... |
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Message #90247, posted at 23:47, 20/2/2002, in reply to message #90246 |
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Poo. Another show. 100's of miles down south. What use is that?
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Message #90248, posted at 09:20, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90247 |
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Top Monkey - you are a naughty boy, trying to spoil all Rich's efforts to get away from the copywright anality :D
Does it really matter if MicroD get any Xscales?
Have you seen the date they last updated their websiet? Ooooh dear.
Top Moss, I look forward to seeing you get down at the show :D
I think it will be a very useful show for all the people down south (especially those in the south west). At least I think that's the idea...
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Marco Frissen |
Message #90249, posted at 10:27, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90248 |
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Hmm.. not to be picky, but MD claims the Omega would have the XScales with 600 or 700MHz as option..
I do not see any details about these in the article (or anywhere). 400MHz is max.. So, XScale upgrades will be less powerfull, or will people have to wait (even longer). |
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Anonymous |
Message #90250, posted at 10:36, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90249 |
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MD also claim to be developing the Omega... |
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Message #90251, posted at 10:50, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90250 |
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Well, exactly!
Omega is vaporware. I don't think it'll ever appear. It's pretty sad that a number of people are betting on it appearing.
Question: Would the platform survive without Omega/ |
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Marco Frissen |
Message #90252, posted at 10:56, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90251 |
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Would the platform survive without the Omega.. I think it would. My bet is on RS. And look at all the nifty little gadgets out there? (100mbit,Viewfinder.. ROS select,etc).
If only more software would come available |
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Message #90253, posted at 11:03, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90252 |
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For more software to become available, more users need to have RISC OS computers and be spending their money. The key reason for lots of companies dropping out of the market is MONEY - there's not enough active spenders.
MicroDigital, RiscStation and Castle Technology should be commended for their efforts. |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #90254, posted at 11:17, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90253 |
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On the flip side, for people to stump up cash for hardware you have to have something worth buying. For instance, much as I like RiscStation's design I wouldn't buy a machine from them personally because I already have a StrongARM RiscPC so anything less than that is a backwards step.
For me to actually part with serious cash the hardware has to be much faster, have standard interfaces such as USB, and generally offer a lot more than what is effectively an A7000 replacement (no offence - what RS machines do they do well). Otherwise I might as well stick with what I've got, and hope someone produces the USB podule. |
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Marco Frissen |
Message #90255, posted at 11:20, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90254 |
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Well, what I often hear is "RiscOS, but there're no applications for it" (actually, most people refer to games.. ).
Hardware is just a box, the OS and apps make the computer.
anyways, I can't wait to get my hands on a RS notebook (if I have ever enough money for it :)), just to show off that Easywriters' M$ Word compatibility is better than any other 3rd party application on any platform .. check my column from a while back :) but I'm getting off-topic here.
XScale & RISCOS, will it ever combine (without weird emulation steps), that is my concern actually.. |
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Message #90256, posted at 14:09, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90255 |
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What if RiscStations Evolution were to come to market. Would you regard them as a backwards step Rich?
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Marco Frissen |
Message #90257, posted at 14:35, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90256 |
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Rich
actually RS is the only party offering 'standard' interfaces like IrDA, USB .. mind you, hardware wise.. drivers status unknown.
As far as speed is concerned, I have to agree, from an SA, it should be up, not down (alas, for a notebook it's not *that* bad) |
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Message #90258, posted at 14:46, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90257 |
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Can you quantify Evolution as 'better' or 'worse' than a RPC? I think that would be tricky.
IrDA! If only they had working IrDA on that laptop... :(
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Marco Frissen |
Message #90259, posted at 15:52, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90258 |
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Hmm, the evolution seems 'just as' an SA-RPC, with some extra features.
What I *REALLY* would love to see is a firewire interface, iso this stupid "oh, I'm just another serial port" USB.
But, as with the laptop.. I guess we can wait very long for the Evo to be released (if ever.. no updates since way back in 2001) |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #90260, posted at 17:21, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90259 |
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Without USB, in a few months we won't be able to connect any new peripherals to our machines. Even keyboards are all USB these days, looking at the cheapo peripheral shops online. Whether you like USB or not, it's becoming a necessity where firewire isn't.
And I knew mentioning USB would be tricky - a number of machines seem to have the ports but AFAIK no drivers for them.
The laptop is very tempting though... |
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John Hoare |
Message #90261, posted at 19:54, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90260 |
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Well, sorry to drag it back to the Omega, but from comments earlier - the Omega is *nearly* to market. You can argue day and night about how the rights/wrongs about the announcement, but it's nearly there!
Put it like this - if it doesn't appear, I'll literally kill myself on the front doorstep of Microdigital. And there's no getting out of that one...
*stands back and waits for flames - but friendly ones, I hope :-)* |
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Message #90262, posted at 20:02, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90261 |
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Omega is a joke. Microdigital are never gonna make it. Get real, folks. This is one of the most hilarious cons of recent times.
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Message #90263, posted at 20:07, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90262 |
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John: You'll kill yourself at the front door of Microdigital? I'll bring my camera! (and my A4)
Mike |
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John Hoare |
Message #90264, posted at 20:18, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90263 |
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You're more than welcome to come. Actually, if it doesn't come to market I'll kill myself, and if it does come to market, I'll sacrifice a troll there instead... |
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Message #90265, posted at 21:18, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90264 |
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Well, I'm 100% sure the Omega will see the light.. but I'm also 99% sure the XScale upgrade will be a long, VERY long story (IF it ever comes to it).
Has ANYONE seen it *working* with the XScale? |
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John Hoare |
Message #90266, posted at 21:39, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90265 |
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Well, that's a different matter...
Personally, I think the machine *will* end up working with an XScale, etc - but I'm not buying it for that, I'm buying it because I need a new RISC OS machine. If everyone decided to give up tomorrow, I'd still like to have the Omega, because it does a lot of what I want it to do a lot nicer than other systems. (Personally, that is - I'm sure it's different for other people, etc etc etc disclaimer etc etc).
And as for the other stuff, well, my summer project is to learn how to build a Linux box... |
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Message #90267, posted at 22:04, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90266 |
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My current feeling about RISC OS and the future is this: RISC OS is quite a nice environment for administrating Linux boxes from. :-)
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Message #90268, posted at 22:49, 21/2/2002, in reply to message #90267 |
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Err... yeah... except a RISC OS box can't *EASILY* ssh into a typical Linux box! :) |
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Message #90269, posted at 07:17, 22/2/2002, in reply to message #90268 |
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Over the past couple of weeks I've become aware that my RISC PC just isn't fast enough in some areas (mainly when it comes to manipulating large bitmaps). Although part of the problem is the IDE bus, I am really starting to feel the need for something fast. I also think that there are a lot of other people out there also waiting (but that number is probably decreasing fairly quickly).
Cheers,
Max
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Message #90270, posted at 09:10, 22/2/2002, in reply to message #90269 |
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"Without USB, in a few months we won't be able to connect any new peripherals to our machines."
This is a serious concern. A USB podule will help, but it's not ideal, is it?
"Put it like this - if it doesn't appear, I'll literally kill myself on the front doorstep of Microdigital. And there's no getting out of that one..."
Moss, you've really GOT to stop saying things like this!
"Has ANYONE seen it *working* with the XScale?"
Of course NOT - no-one has seen it working PERIOD.
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John Hoare |
Message #90271, posted at 09:50, 22/2/2002, in reply to message #90270 |
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Well, USB is working - it's just not generally avaliable yet (I recall a post somewhere from a developer saying that he had his printer working with USB). It should be pretty soon before it's all on sale. |
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