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Heads Up - RISC OS South East Show |
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[mentat] (09:00 2/11/2002) takkaria (10:37 2/11/2002) baggins (12:39 2/11/2002) harmsy (13:18 2/11/2002) andypoole (13:22 2/11/2002) rich (16:03 2/11/2002) danielbarron (17:45 2/11/2002) [mentat] (17:53 2/11/2002) danielbarron (18:12 2/11/2002) danielbarron (18:25 2/11/2002) andypoole (18:35 2/11/2002) Benjamin Newton (18:40 2/11/2002) 7S (18:58 2/11/2002) jmb (22:50 2/11/2002) danielbarron (11:18 3/11/2002) jmb (13:00 3/11/2002) Ernst Dinkla (09:53 4/11/2002) thegman (10:16 4/11/2002) Matthew Phillips (11:30 4/11/2002) peter (14:32 4/11/2002) Peter Russell (21:14 4/11/2002)
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #91366, posted by [mentat] at 09:00, 2/11/2002 |
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*Get's in car...* |
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Andrew Sidwell |
Message #91367, posted by takkaria at 10:37, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91366 |
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mentat: that's "gets" |
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baggins |
Message #91368, posted at 12:39, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91367 |
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"And if that isn't enough to get your juices running, "The" Paul Vigay and Peter "Chocky" Naulls - together on the same stand! Come on, what more could you want?!" A movie of the resulting fight. |
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harmsy |
Message #91369, posted at 13:18, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91368 |
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Bring us a news update please guys! |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #91370, posted by andypoole at 13:22, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91369 |
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Well I can't write one.. I couldn't get there :-( |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #91371, posted by rich at 16:03, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91370 |
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I'm afraid I spent the morning photographing squirrels back in Chichester. |
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Daniel Barron |
Message #91372, posted by danielbarron at 17:45, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91371 |
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Heh :) first show report. It was very very busy. A long queue had formed of about 100 people before the doors opened at 10am. First off was a walk around the stalls. Interesting people like Castle, etc were there. But there was no appearance of RiscOS Ltd or Microdigital. I renewed a couple of mag subs. But there was nothing that caught my eye to buy that I had not already bought. No new games or network apps. The universal printer driver was available but I already ordered mine a few days ago. Next up I started queuing for the Castle Presentation at about 10:30 and by 11:05 almost the entire building tried to pour into the theater. I got middle front row. The talk was facinating and they showed a working and super fast Iyonics PC as well as talking about the hardware and software. The Iyonics comes with RISC OS 5 which is 32 bit and no VIDC requirements. The cpu is a 600Mhz xscale which is soldered to the motherboard. When questioned about upgrading the MD said that we've all seen the problems with cpus on cards and he wanted the reliability. When asked about newer motherboards he seemed to suggest that whole new machines would be needed but I think it was a slip of the grammar. The Iyonics PC itself looked like a boring 5 year old micro tower. It screams out for modding and painting. It has 2 USB at the front and a soft power. 2 floppy bays, 2 CD bays and 1 HD bay. At the back are pci slots 2 EASI 32-bit slots, 2 USB, 2 serial, mic, line in, sound out, video on a card (GeForce 2MX PCI on display), but no paralell port. The MD said 'USB all the way'. USB 1 is done, but USB 2 support is coming. I saw no NIC or mb NIC, but he did say that it works with Gigabit cards which is nice :) All old apps should work on it with some clever software that emulates 26 bit mode. (Artworks was being shown working on a stand on an Iyonics for example). They would not say when it was available or the price, but 'soon'. Boot up time was just as quick as a clean SA RPC. Apps loaded at an incredible speed. Double click and its loaded. So fast that you don't notice. The graphics were very impressive. Superbly quick and high resolution. The sound quality was good as as we walking in we were greeted with some thumping music playing from an Iyonics and medium speakers. 1920 by 1440 IIRC at 16M. Bascially the same as the graphics card at the time. Iyonics car stickers were given away. No word on Select. When asked on the stand Jack was a little tetchy about it (understandably). During the presentation there was little hint about select on RISC OS 5. RISC OS 5 is basically like RISC OS 4.02 but with hardware indepenance of VIDC and is fully 32-bit. What we now need is Select on RISC OS 5 - puleeeez! RISC OS 5 was in flash rom and copied to RAM during bootup just like the kinetic. RISC OS 5 is copyright pace. I would have bought one or preordered but they won't set a price or take orders until its ready. Nothing doing at the RiscStation stand. I did not see the faster WXL. I saw Peter Naulls which was nice to put a face to the name I've been sending money to. Most of the people there were under 30 or over 60. That's all I can remember was interesting.... |
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I don't have tourettes you're just a cun |
Message #91373, posted by [mentat] at 17:53, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91372 |
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Cheers daniel - saves me the bother ;-) Tak - nope. My mate, "Get", was in my car. -- (Jeez gimme a break, I wrote that after less than 5 hours kip). |
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Daniel Barron |
Message #91374, posted by danielbarron at 18:12, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91373 |
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NP mentat. Show stuff I forgot: On the back of the case is the power socket and an on/off switch like most PCs. The PSU is a 250W unit with a special silent mode where when the case temperature is under 35 degrees C the fan goes into whisper mode making the whole machine very quiet. In normal operation they have never seen the temp over 35 and only managed to test it by putting the whole machine into a heated cupboard due to the super cool cpu. The cpu I saw had no fan. Virtual Acorn had a stand. My friend bought a copy so he could secretly put it on the PC of the director at B***** to remind him what an Acorn was like. He also wanted it to play Twinworld and Stunt Racer. I would have definately bought a copy but no networking support is provided yet. |
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Daniel Barron |
Message #91375, posted by danielbarron at 18:25, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91374 |
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Arg! more things: Castle have apparently done no benchmarking as a whole but were able to give various nugets such as: 200Mhz RAM, not 16Mhz like the Risc PC. 32Mb/sec ide not 2Mb/sec. 1 Gb RAM max vs 258. (kinetic blah blah ;)) AC98 sound. Plus the faster cpu and better graphics. They're modding application space (I think he meant dynamic areas) so that they can go to 1Gb. Oregano 2 was a sore point he skipped over jokingly and as fast as possible. |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #91376, posted by andypoole at 18:35, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91375 |
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tsk.. will O2 ever seee the light of day :-/ |
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Benjamin Newton |
Message #91377, posted at 18:40, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91376 |
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You were in the middle of the front row! So was I. How amazing! (Red shirt, lots of hair) |
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7S |
Message #91378, posted at 18:58, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91377 |
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John Balance (Techy chap of Castle - which you all know) has reportedly said that he would not allow such a superior machine to go to market without a decent up to date browser installed. Castle have also suggested that all the Select components could be made to work with ROS 5. Just wait and see I guess. |
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JMB |
Message #91379, posted by jmb at 22:50, 2/11/2002, in reply to message #91378 |
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Hmm, when I went to the Castle stand (about 1:30 pm), someone asked about O2 and we were told that they had just got a copy of the 32 bit version. (a 26 bit version will be available). In fact, they had the CD with it on there :P It wasn't in action on the stand so I can't say anything more interesting than the above. |
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Daniel Barron |
Message #91380, posted by danielbarron at 11:18, 3/11/2002, in reply to message #91379 |
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Benjamin: I was cream t-shirt, long hair, fat :) 7S: ROL have said that all of the select work has been 32-bit so patching it into RO5 should be quite simple. If ROL don't produce select for RO5 I will be dissapointed. Alternatively, if castle add all the select features themselves.... however in such a small market it would be silly to duplicate work. jmb: What do you mean a 26 bit version will be available? The whole point of the 32-bit versions is that they work on *both*. There is no need for different versions of apps. 32-bit only means it uses no dodgy PC+flag R15 stuff (ok very simplified). |
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JMB |
Message #91381, posted by jmb at 13:00, 3/11/2002, in reply to message #91380 |
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yes, sorry, (note to self -- engage brain before typing :P). |
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Ernst Dinkla |
Message #91382, posted at 09:53, 4/11/2002, in reply to message #91381 |
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Part time lurker after 3 years abstinence of the RO scene. Is RO5 Xscale dependent or will it run on any ARM like the new Samsung 1.2 Ghz ? No dependence on the Intel graphic features of Xscale ? Ernst Dinkla |
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thegman |
Message #91383, posted at 10:16, 4/11/2002, in reply to message #91382 |
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I got the impression from Jack Lillingston that Pace had completely removed any reliance on any specific graphics chipset. I though the machine was very impressive, EasiWriter loaded in a split second, but I would have liked to see benchmarks of uncompressing JPEGs vs. other boxes and that kind of thing. It has a 600Mhz XScale, but MD are going on about 1GHz chips, so that may make the Omega a favourite in any future battle. Overall, I liked the machine, the case was a boring PC-affair, but as it's Micro-ATX, replacements should be easy and may be on offer from dealers. Incidentally, Jack L from Castle said that the case had an Iyonix logo as the power button, it looked to me that the logo had been based on the button! I think there was disappointment that there is no release date, or price, not even ball-park estimates. |
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Matthew Phillips |
Message #91384, posted at 11:30, 4/11/2002, in reply to message #91383 |
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Re earlier comment regarding application space going up to 1GB. Jack did not mean dynamic areas. The whole point about a 32-bit OS is that there is no address limit for executable code, so realy huge chunks of application space will be available. This means that for many purposes, applications should go back to using application space rather than dynamic areas, as dynamic areas muck up the logical memory space. |
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Peter Darnell |
Message #91385, posted by peter at 14:32, 4/11/2002, in reply to message #91384 |
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All that I heard was SOON SOON SOON from nearly everybody, Castle for the Iyonix/Oregano2, RiscStation for the portable/Evolution and Surftec for their USB drivers for card readers/zip drives so with them and the Omega, well you what do you know they all arrive at the same time. . |
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Peter Russell |
Message #91386, posted at 21:14, 4/11/2002, in reply to message #91385 |
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Regarding the Iyonix and the 35 degrees thingy. Send one out to Australia and we will definitely test the fan!! Its nearly always over that in Port Augusta summer! |
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